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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 8:01 pm    Post subject: What are good reasons to purchase new IP addresses? Reply with quote

I am going to purchase some new IP addresses, but apparently, I need to provide reasons why I need those new IP addresses. So, what are good reasons to purchase new IP addresses?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Private nameservers or running an SSL site have always worked for me.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As mentioned SSL certs and 2x name servers require them and usually you can have about 2 others for a server. Apart from that I don't think theres much else you are allowed them for, at least in Europe. I don't know how much these things are checked on - may depend on the data centre for one thing.

Hopefully all the Net connected toasters will start to use IPv6 but I'd guess we'll still start to run out.

Personally I think this IPv4 problem is a plot by Google to help them track duplicate web sites more easily since there won't be as many web sites with unique IP's. Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vigo wrote:
Private nameservers or running an SSL site have always worked for me.

So all I have to say is like ...

"I want to run SSL to access administration panels for security reasons; I need unique IP addresses for this reason."

Something like that?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, that should do it. Unless your datacentre is staffed by some really anal people, it's just justification for RIPE.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also if you are running multiple websites the different IP address should also help out with SEO by allowing SE spiders to follow links from one domain to another on different ip addresses.

but also for DR purposes you could develop a DR recover plan if a site goes down on one IP address you could redirect traffic a mirror server at another location to a different IP address.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

juke wrote:

... but also for DR purposes you could develop a DR recover plan if a site goes down on one IP address you could redirect traffic a mirror server at another location to a different IP address.

Can you elaborate on this? Sounds like a very useful information, but I'm not so sure if I understand it.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

juke wrote:
Also if you are running multiple websites the different IP address should also help out with SEO by allowing SE spiders to follow links from one domain to another on different ip addresses.


James, coulld you elaborate on this please? It sounds like it could be used for the one of the old SE spamming techniques.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vigo wrote:
juke wrote:
Also if you are running multiple websites the different IP address should also help out with SEO by allowing SE spiders to follow links from one domain to another on different ip addresses.


James, coulld you elaborate on this please? It sounds like it could be used for the one of the old SE spamming techniques.


Simply put Links from sites comming from different IP addresses are better than links comming from one IP address comming from a shared host. Shows that domain has better value. I have about 6 reseller hosting accounts where I do link between my domains so that not all my domains links are not comming from a single location. Not only does it help with SEO from my opinion but it helps balance your site incase of a partiular site failure so you don't have all your eggs in one basket.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In theory Google and probably others might slightly downgrade links that come from sites on the same IP as they are on the same server and therefore are more likely to run by the same person - essentially someone voting for themselves in PR terms.

I've never seen absolute proof of this although it's probably not a massive downgrade and so is hard to spot, unless there are lots and lots of interlinks, but should be compensated against by increasing the number of directories and other sites you're submitted to.

It also supposedly helps if the IP's are very distant from each other. For example, if you had the IP's 217.195.28.17 and 217.195.28.29 Google and co. might assume sites on those IP's are more likely to be under the same control than if say one site was on 217.195.98.4


Definitely agree that if you have the sites on different servers and even different data centres you could have more protection against downtime, although this does depend whether the server running the DNS went down in which case you'd run into the DNS delays again. I'm guessing however that the orig. question might have been about having more IP's on the same machine?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

juke wrote:
Simply put Links from sites comming from different IP addresses are better than links comming from one IP address comming from a shared host. Shows that domain has better value. I have about 6 reseller hosting accounts where I do link between my domains so that not all my domains links are not comming from a single location. Not only does it help with SEO from my opinion but it helps balance your site incase of a partiular site failure so you don't have all your eggs in one basket.


Ah yes, of course. I must've had a "senior moment" (at only early 20s too!) this morning when I posted - obviously this was what you meant! I'd guess I was interested because I hadn't heard of links from the same IP being classed "lower" by SEs (unless they are the majority of incomming links, then its a different story), but like I say I've no idea what I was really going on about!

Please insert brain here.... Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's happening before your 25, this could be serious! Smile

But yep, thats the general idea. Logical really although not sure how much weight it puts on things.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, thanks for tips, everyone. I said something like "I need to have SSL" (which is kind of true), and I got 8 new IP addresses. Thanks!
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