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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:23 am    Post subject: How much would you pay for a degree? Reply with quote

It seems likely that the cap on tuition fees will either rise or be abolished in the coming months. How much would you pay for a degree?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They should be free.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of interest, why do you say that?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apart from the social benefits.

I do not like the idea it is still only the well off that has the option for an education. Education is free at GCSE level, A-Level but when it comes to a degree you have to pay?

All education should be free in my opinion, including training to be a plumber or other skilled work. It would help the economy and reduce unemployment levels for all social groups.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing. If I was a student now, I wouldn't bother. I would go straight into business. I wish someone had given me some direction and I had started earlier. So is life.

By the way, I have a degree, and a half a masters degree (funded by a previous employer). I did a degree in the niceer days (I was going to say good old days, but that would make me sound old Very Happy ).
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No education is free though. State schooling is paid for. The difference is it is paid for not by the people using it (directly) but rather indirectly by the population as a whole, whether they use it or not.

Surely a fair system would be that those that buy the education pay for it? The notion of the poor missing out is then handled through bursaries.

That is of course providing you want UK universities to remain some of the finest in the world. That won't happen without money. If no one pays then that represents a slight problem Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree. Only rational solution seems to be for you to pay for it later down the line when you are earning enough.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scootek wrote:
Agree. Only rational solution seems to be for you to pay for it later down the line when you are earning enough.


Yes, paying after is a logical idea. Paying before still restricts higher education to the relativly well off. It takes years to get a degree, and living costs are high in the UK.

I understand 'Free' is not really free, but why is a degree seen as different to A-Level and GCSE level? Not everybody does A levels (or even GCSE's) but they are free.

Bursaries and bureaucracy clearly do not work together, UK child tax credits are a perfect example of such an unfair system.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was one of the first generation when Student Loans started. I was also a Student Loan Officer for a short time.

The reality is, as far as I am concerned your not going to get a completely fair system. I woud prefer for the student pay after the education than before. If a student has to fork out the money before, it then seems a deterrant.

I am now also speaking as a parent. In an ideal world it would be free. I am not well off, am an average earner. But I am already planning to save for my daughter Uni. I know my brothers and sisters who have kids are also planning the same. It feel's like we are heading towards an American style system.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like the 'graduate tax' has been scrapped by the government

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/jul/22/government-rejects-cable-graduate-tax
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An inactive topic but I have no idea why.
I think education should be available to all. To me a graduate tax would be a better system, in so far as it would mean that people can get through university in the first place, rather than making it a place for those who can . I think the hardest thing with graduate tax, and equally student loans system, is probably ensuring that the graduates will indeed earn more with a degree than they would have done without.

Basically I think we need to overhaul the entire system, and need to get rid of this idea that university and education is for the rich, it should be for the academic whatever the class!
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got my BA free, and even got paid a subsistence grant to do it. Plus in the holidays I could get the dole and/or work part-time as a barmaid without having to pay tax. It was fine. I was always quite skint but I managed.

Many years later, I did my MSc. That cost about six grand. I didn't mind paying for that because there was no benefit to Scotland to fund such a venture. It was just for my own desires.

When I die, if there's any money left, I'll leave my money to people who need a bit of help to get their education. I think it's an absolute disgrace that higher education should be reserved for the rich. Evil or Very Mad The whole idea really annoys me.

Why do these posh thick inbred idiots get the best education just because they can pay for it? NO! Let's make sure that even the lowest people have a chance too if they're smart enough.
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I completely get what you mean about being skint but managing, I think many students today seem to live quite decadent lifestyles- ensuite bathrooms...expensive phones...drinks...holidays... whereas back in the day being a student meant hot water shower once a day, endless wolly jumpers instead of heating and not needing to drink or spend lavishly in order to have a good time!

But maybe I am old fashioned.

I completely agree with you that it will damage our country socially and probably economically as well if the Condem government manage to push through one of these hairbrained elitist schemes for further education.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

50,000 gbp I HAVE SPENT
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! Pity you haven't even learnt how to put a coherent sentence together. Rolling Eyes
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