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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 11:43 am    Post subject: No future in computer science? Reply with quote

Enrollments in CS major is dropping in US including MIT. There is certainly a concern for outsourcing and what have you, but is it so bad to have a degree in computer science?

You need to be able to use computers, but it is true that there is no need to get a degree in computer science. It is also true that there won't be another dot-com, but are there so many reasons why you need to stay away from computer science?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I believe a career in computing still holds excellent opportunities. The course sign up trend is the same in Ireland.

The world is becoming more and more dependent on PC's and technology so there are excellent opportunites to be part of the future.

I suppose a big issue for future careers will be competition from low cost economies eg India.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Computing is a big area so there is room for graduates but it depends on what you're going to study.

I'm guessing alot of programming and web development jobs are going to India and probably China as well before too long.

If you can find your own niche, such as SAP, that isn't widely held then you can still do well.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CS can span so many industries. Medical, Business, etc. People in all of those industries have problems that computers can help solve.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say a CS degree will now, and in the future carry weight. Especially considering the other degree that are available in college. When compared to degrees in english, history, math, ect.. that usually lead to teaching jobs. CS degree can be used for teaching, as well as, the various programming/computing jobs. Outsourcing is an issue that should be considered, but not a reason to change majors yet.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that you'll probably end up working a factory or doing temp work is probably a good reason to switch majors.

I haven't met one person with a degree in computer anything that has the job they got their degree for.

My mother and my uncle both got PC technicians, they don't use them.

I know two graphic designers who work in wearhouses, a guy I work with took networking as well.

I think the market is a little too flooded right now, maybe in the future.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That article does mention that the demand for science and engineering jobs is growing thogh.
Besides as the US becomes more dependant on computers it will need more people in such fields.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My sister did a CS degree with Business management as an honur. Of course she had a bit of a head start as she is 9 years younger than me and grew up on my knee in front of akeyboard. I say keyboard, but really a zx81 is sort of a waffle with keys on it Laughing

That said, CS as a degree is not what it once was. The internet is taking over from the normal role of computers, and people have to become more specialist to do those jobs. Many of these tasks simply do not require a CS degree. I have seen our local College's course list, and believe me there are hugely more IT courses on there at many levels.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Truly talented and skilled programmers are in demand. We need people who can program industrial automation systems and kind of financial systems that stock markets use; there are many more critical and extremely sophisticated software programs that we rely on, but there aren't that many people who can program systems like these. We really need these people. What I'm wondering about now is that maybe the issue here is that these CS degrees simply do not create these truly talented and skilled programmers who are in demand; consequently, CS degrees are not valued and the number of enrollment is declining?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FTAS, I would agree with you there. Many CS degrees are general degrees, they lack any realworld heavy duty specialisation.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting discussion. I graduated with CS degree at the end of 2002. Took coursework in C, C#, object oriented programming, SQL, Access, project management, program analysis, graphic design, etc.

Watching the job market before and after graduation, the only jobs in this area were for people with more than 3 years experience - many for people with 5+ years experience. I haven't seen to much change in the job market since 2002.

End result - started my own web development firm, but still work part-time as an accountant.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MS detta, that is EXACTLY wthe sort of thing I have seen. I work with many self made people who can see where their expertise rests, and want to buy in where it does not. many of these did not even complete their degres, as it was not viable. Many of these people continued to study and specialise in their own field of love, and did very well at it, resulting in a flly fledged business taking over from their education.

I had this discussion on Thursday on the phone with Ammon Johns, where we were talking about this very thing. The outcome was that many colleges and unierstities are on the button, but many are simply not up to the ochey.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish the university would have offered courses in PHP, Perl and ASP. One course briefly touched on Perl - I learned enough to read the code and make changes. With my 2 years of C and sitting in on a Java class (didn't need the credits) I learned enough that I find it's easy to read and modify PHP. Haven't even looked at ASP yet - but have purchased a book on it and when I get a chance I'll fiddle with it too Smile

When I took a course on programming for the web, I fell in love with it. The university doesn't offer any specialization in this area Sad I love the creativity that designing allows -- something which is very stifled in the accounting industry Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MsDetta wrote:
The university doesn't offer any specialization in this area

I don't think this is a problem; IMO, this is what you learn in a vocational school, training school, not university.
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Watching the job market before and after graduation, the only jobs in this area were for people with more than 3 years experience - many for people with 5+ years experience. I haven't seen to much change in the job market since 2002.

The problem I find that there is no bridge between University(CS degree) and these real programming jobs. There are ways to do, but it's not very clear. I feel like a much clearer guidance should be given if industries, government, etc. want to make advancement in IT.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think this is a problem; IMO, this is what you learn in a vocational school, training school, not university.


They teach programming in these types of schools? What I meant was at the university I attended our programming choices were Cobalt, C and Java. I think the universities need to also teach PHP, ASP and Perl.

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The problem I find that there is no bridge between University(CS degree) and these real programming jobs. There are ways to do, but it's not very clear. I feel like a much clearer guidance should be given if industries, government, etc. want to make advancement in IT.


I agree with this wholeheartedly. There definitely needs to be input from the industries in order to get the universities to change their courses.
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