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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:17 pm    Post subject: Finished at fifty? Reply with quote

With more and more people working well into their latter years, isn't it a little alarming that we're apparently "finished at fifty" these days....?! Shocked

See http://news.bbc.co.uk/panorama/hi/front_page/newsid_9443000/9443259.stm
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a very interesting question, Paul, and an interesting article.

I think it's quite true that people are finished at 50 in the employment market. Actually I'd say it was more like finished at 40.

My cousin, who is well educated and very sensible (unlike me), is a Chartered Accountant and he found it well nigh impossible to find work after he returned to the UK after a stint of overseas work. He was in his early 40s.

But the employment market is changing. Just as jobs are disappearing so are opportunities emerging for self-employment. I haven't had a "proper job" since I was in my mid-30s. I just do my own thing now.

I'm 50-something now and I know I'm pretty much unemployable in the traditional sense. But I'm enjoying working for myself and picking up some interesting freelance jobs. I'm not finished at 50 - I'm having a great time.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kay wrote:
Actually I'd say it was more like finished at 40.


Ah, I've nothing to worry about then... I've got all of... errrr... 3 months. Shocked Laughing

Kay wrote:
I haven't had a "proper job" since I was in my mid-30s.


Likewise. Except I can stop at just "I haven't had a "proper job"". And I have to say I wouldn't change it for the world. I love the flexibility it gives, the ability to pick and choose what you do, and so and so forth. Really it's a wonder why people would want to work for someone else in this day and age... (don't tell Trev I said that, though Wink).
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing

Tell us the date, Paul, so we can have a party!

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I love the flexibility it gives, the ability to pick and choose what you do, and so and so forth.


Me too. That's why I sometimes do work for other people if it suits me. And other people do work for me. It's not exactly specialisation and division of labour but it's a little bit along those lines.

I'll pick up things I know I'll enjoy doing, even if it means working for someone else. Then I get someone else to do the stuff I'm not so keen on. The people who work for me nearly always seem happy enough - they keep coming back for more, anyway. Very Happy

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Really it's a wonder why people would want to work for someone else in this day and age...


Well, yeah. Perhaps we are privileged but there'll always be a need for people to work in other industries. Someone has to empty the bins, stock the supermarket shelves, drive the taxis, grow the food, provide accommodation services, etc, etc. The trick is to find something you enjoy doing, even if it is working for someone else.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look out for the day where I don't log on to Aardvark. It's then. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was about to post the very same panorama thread for discussion!

I'm not far behind Paul in age - got several years to go
I have applied for interim jobs that look interesting but got absolutely nothing back.

I've recognised for a while I need to manage my own destiny.
Thankfully my wife is in a job with the NHS that she'll be with till she retires so I don't need to earn the levels I did when in corporate life
Though I have just added another string to my bow & into my signature Cool
(Sorry Kay, I've regressed to my Financial roots Embarassed )

I do feel great sympathy for the public sector workers aged over 50
Expected to be in a job for life so unprepared for change, the wrong skillset for the private sector, too old to be re employed in the public sector
B&Q beckons...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, you have to be flexible. I have accountancy and business qualifications but if I had to look for employment tomorrow, I'd probably try for a job as a chef (got C&G quals and experience in that too. Laughing ) At least I like cooking. I also enjoy writing and photography. I'd not want to do accountancy or business for anyone else.

But if you're 40 or 50 and suddenly find yourself out of work it's hard to know what to do. "Make Money Online" ain't as easy as some people make out it is. Most of these people doing, or trying to do it, are writing stupid e-books telling people how to do it. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Through the Scouts I'm getting funded to get a Mountain Leaders Certificate
A nice investment in readiness for retirement when I can lead parties in the mountains

I reckon you need a portfolio of skills - ideally ones which are related
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A job for life no longer really exists but to suggest people are finished at 50 is absurd. If they remain skilled and flexible in their thinking then they can be a real asset to a company.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

go on then depress us
how many years till you reach 50 adi
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only 19 Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh dear, poor Adi. That's putting you a couple of decades behind those of us who've had the time to get qualified and experienced in numerous fields. Twisted Evil

But I know I'm too old to get a 'job' in the traditional sense.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thus far I'm only qualified in IT, marketing and management Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The main trick is to not be unemployed. Confused

No I am not being silly, I will elaborate. Twisted Evil

In 2008 I found myself unemployed and having not been paid for 3 months not in a financially sound position, so the Jbo seekers allowance was joke, especially with my mortgage Sad

At the time there was a job agency where they took on day labour, you sat around from about 6.00am until 9.00am and then went home or were hired Shocked

There were needless to say lots of foriengers there, where I found another agency who had more job offers, so I signed on with them, plus 3 more agencies answering positions for work, I actually found signing on for manegerial work less lucrative, as it tended to be job specific, and if you hadn't come out of say Manufacturing then forget it Mad

From February 2008 to May 2010 I rarely had a week without 1 days work, most of it minimum wage, but it paid the mortgage (just) Wink

The week after I had found permanent work I got a phone call for another permanent job, from a company I had done agency work for, hack away at it, and you will survive Surprised

Incidentally I turned down one job (not to my liking) and had the chance of longer temp work and permanent possibilities, again turned down as I hated the job, but I was in a position to choose as I had money coming in Very Happy

Agencies mess you about, but they get you work, until you can find the right job for you, remember I was with 5 different ones Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like you worked hard, John, in what was no doubt a difficult time. As you say, the main thing is to keep at it and persevere.
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